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		<title>Offense and Industry Part II</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 18:42:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I had a feeling that I&#8217;d want to add a bit more to what I wrote yesterday, as it&#8217;s a complicated subject filled with a lot of tangents (me?? tangents??) and, quite frankly, emotion. The sad thing is, none of this is exceptionally new, and it usually follows a predictable pattern: person does something that [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had a feeling that I&#8217;d want to add a bit more to <a href="http://www.vombie.com/2009/06/11/offense-and-industry">what I wrote yesterday</a>, as it&#8217;s a complicated subject filled with a lot of tangents (me?? tangents??) and, quite frankly, emotion. The sad thing is, none of this is exceptionally new, and it usually follows a predictable pattern: person does something that offends someone, person states that they&#8217;re offended (in a rational or irrational manner), offendor gives passive-aggressive and dismissive rebuttal to offendee, calls offendee some sort of name (like prude) to try to justify/warrant/excuse their behavior, offendee is now on the defensive and making disclaimers, focus is now off of the offendor via smoke and mirrors, lather, rinse, repeat.<br />
And you know what? It&#8217;s a great trap. After all, how can I (or anyone else) write about &#8220;someone giving a presentation at a professional conference with material that offended people&#8221; without making a bunch of disclaimers about how I&#8217;m not a prude, that I&#8217;m not easily offended, etc. &#8211; but when the hell did it become about anything other than his actions and his actions only? Why does it resort to that? It isn&#8217;t &#8211; and shouldn&#8217;t be &#8211; about me or my feelings; but in a way, the topic can&#8217;t exist if it focuses solely on what was done &#8211; because we&#8217;ve gotten to a point where if someone disagrees with you and your feelings, you have to make disclaimers that your feelings aren&#8217;t related to the negative badge they&#8217;ll automatically stick you with to be dismissive of you (in this case, it was &#8216;prude,&#8217; right? or did it sink so low as to be &#8216;girl?&#8217;). And I was really encouraged (initially) when I saw that very insightful blog post that blatantly stated that it wasn&#8217;t about any of the usual off-ramps (like prudishness), but rather about what is considered professional conduct within the tech industry. But how long did it take before there just seemed to be more knee-jerk &#8216;zomg women should be offended!&#8217; and &#8216;zomg lighten up free speech&#8217; crap than the actual insightful, productive discussion that could have been occurring instead?<br />
I was very hesitant to say anything at all about the matter, because I am about the farthest thing from the &#8216;token female&#8217; that you can get. I make men blush constantly (not a disclaimer, just a fact). And I don&#8217;t feel like I&#8217;ve really written anything terribly deep or profound here, and hopefully no one thinks I have any obligation to do so (as I don&#8217;t). But I&#8217;m kind of sick of the cycle of people finding it appropriate to push boundaries in professional settings and then retaliating as if the person who expected professional conduct at a professional event was in the wrong. I think it&#8217;s sad that so many people are having to justify their opinions &#8211; and themselves &#8211; when they have nothing to be defensive about. they&#8217;re entitled to their opinions AND to have those opinions be respected, even if/when they&#8217;re disagreed with. I find it rather sad that Dave now has to deal with the brunt of this; not only because it wasn&#8217;t his actions, but because a lot of the knee-jerk response he&#8217;s getting don&#8217;t help anything, and this could be a great opportunity for the tech community to start thinking about its accepted behaviors and how to be more inclusive of different levels of thinking of what is/isn&#8217;t appropriate conduct. Do we get into a ratings system at conferences? Do we make disclaimers? Or do we automatically dismiss any presentation and content that may be considered edgy and pushing boundaries? Should I put up a poster of Dr. Manhattan during my presentations from now on? What&#8217;s the right thing to do?</p>
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		<title>Offense and Industry</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 03:37:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So there&#8217;s been a bit of a brouhaha over in the Flash/dev community over a presentation that was given at Flashbelt; unfortunately, I wasn&#8217;t able to attend (so I can&#8217;t speak from firsthand experience about what happened), but I wanted to chime in on some of what&#8217;s being said &#8211; and not being said &#8211; [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So there&#8217;s been a bit of <a href="http://www.flashbelt.com/#/news/">a brouhaha</a> over in the Flash/dev community over a presentation that was given at Flashbelt; unfortunately, I wasn&#8217;t able to attend (so I can&#8217;t speak from firsthand experience about what happened), but I wanted to chime in on some of what&#8217;s being said &#8211; and not being said &#8211; throughout the community as a result.<br />
In a way, it all boils down to this: a presenter displayed some images and made some comments that were crude &#038; offensive to some of the people there &#8211; and for what it&#8217;s worth, &#8216;some of the people there&#8217; is NOT synonymous with &#8216;women.&#8217; Words are being thrown around like &#8216;pornographic&#8217; and &#8216;misogynistic.&#8217; But the two words being strewn about with the most frequency are these: &#8216;professional&#8217; and &#8216;prude.&#8217; The people that are vocally objectifying what happened are quick to be on the defensive that <a href="http://www.geekgirlsguide.com/blog/2009/06/11/98/prude_or_professional_by_courtney_remes">they are not prudes</a>, that they can take a joke, etc., but that the material shouldn&#8217;t have been allowed at a Professional event. But why do they have to be defensive at all? Is it only okay to be offended so long as you&#8217;re not a prude? It seems that these people are apologizing for being themselves and/or for feeling that this was inappropriate for a professional event, whereas the presenter hasn&#8217;t apologized at all. To the extent that I hope to be able to be free to do and say what I want to, I also accept that that privilege doesn&#8217;t come free of responsibility &#8211; especially not in a professional venue.<br />
There are some industries where being involved within the communities means accepting the tribal customs; back when I was in the music industry, for example, the attitudes and expectations for &#8216;professional&#8217; behaviour were quite different than they were when I was a government contractor. But in a way, the rules at a tech conference aren&#8217;t always clear, and that leaves some ambiguity as to what&#8217;s considered acceptable. Many of the tech males that I associate with liken themselves to rockstars, and seem to equate that with a juvenile, sexist sort of bent. Tech conferences are billed as being laid-back, cool, and daring &#8211; all of the things that tech people aren&#8217;t necessarily well-known for being &#8211; and as a result, a lot of their insecurity manifests itself in overcompensation and in the men trying a bit too hard to prove that they&#8217;re no longer the outcasts, that they can reject and objectify women just like the rockstars do. But a real rockstar doesn&#8217;t need to resort to gimmicks and putdowns to prove themselves, unless they have no genuine talent.<br />
I&#8217;m disappointed to see that something like this ends up overshadowing all of the positive things that the Flash community does, and all of the great things that were at Flashbelt &#038; that Dave did for the event. Many of my dear friends &#038; colleagues were there and I know that there was so much more to this event than this one presentation. But a professional event either needs to be designated like a treehouse with a &#8216;no stinky girls allowed!&#8217; banner from the get-go (which would be just as much of a pity as having an all-girl tea party with a &#8216;no stinky boys allowed!&#8217; one), or the professionals there need to act as, well, professionals.</p>
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